Talk:Herod the Great

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Secular viewpoint

@Btsom: Mainstream historians do have a secular viewpoint, unless expressly indicated otherwise. This includes mainstream Bible professors. Since mainstream history, including history of the Bible and Christianity, is not a sectarian discipline. Mainstream Bible scholars do not cater to true believers. tgeorgescu (talk) 04:22, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's not a question of catering to anyone's particular beliefs. The only issue is academic/journalistic honesty. Making a statement that includes the claim "most ____" should be baked up by authority that supports the claim. The cite included here does not support that claim. At best, to be in agreement with the cited authority, the article should say, "some" -- but it's clear that this page is being controlled by true believers of a different sort. Btsom (talk) 19:28, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Btsom, while I agree that "most experts" requires a specific citation, you needn't cast aspersions of bad faith. — Remsense诉 19:32, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It is cited to a specific citation. It also doesn't say "most experts", it says "most Herod biographers." The text cited also says "and probably most Biblical scholars", but that keeps getting removed by people who dislike the word "probably."--Ermenrich (talk) 21:03, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ermenrich, I just meant "most experts" statements in general, per WP:RS/AC. Apologies for not being adequately clear. — Remsense诉 22:40, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry for the confusion Remsense.—Ermenrich (talk) 22:54, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Revert

The IP is right, primarily because he died four years prior to the birth of Jesus is highly spurious information. tgeorgescu (talk) 01:34, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

sarcophagus

The sarcophagus pictured appears to be tan, and not shattered. Herod's sarcophagus is purplish red and fragmented. Is this the true sarcophagus pictured? Tnyttym (talk) 04:51, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Massive bias

Sentences like "Despite Herod's successes, including single-handedly forging a new aristocracy from practically nothing (...) he is still criticized"

First off, who in the world considers that a success, and why is it worded in such an accusatory manner? 78.243.239.63 (talk) 10:17, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Are you accusing the article of a pro- or anti-Herod bias?--Ermenrich (talk) 14:08, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Possible new Wikipedia page devoted to Herodian chronology

Here are sections that we might use in a new Wikipedia page, "Chronology of the Herodians". There are several Wikipedia pages that bear on this issue, that is, the issue of the chronological dates of Herod and his successors. Therefore, rather than presenting all the research related to the dating of Herod and his successors anew on every related page, I think it would be better to have a discussion on a page that is devoted to just this topic: The chronology of Herod and the Herodians. There are then several pages that, in their attempts to assign dates to their selected topic, could refer to the specific new page that is the place where discussions on this matter could take place. Topics that should be addressed on this new page should include:

Date of appointment of Herod as king of Judea by the Roman Senate
Date of capture of Jerusalem by Herod and the Roman general Sossius
The Sabbatical year associated with the investiture of Jerusalem by Herod and Sossius: 37 BC or 36 BC?
Did Herod (and Josephus) use Nisan or Tishri years for Judean rulers?
Did Herod (and Josephus) use inclusive (non-accession) or non-inclusive (accession) years for Judean rulers?
What is the testimony of the dated Herodian coins? What light do they shed on how the Herodians counted their years of reign?
Date of Herod's death

Here are some current Wikipedia pages where the same question occurs, namely the question of the chronology of the Herodians: Herod the Great, Herod Archelaus, Philip the Tetrarch, Herod Antipas, Herod Agrippa I, Herod Agrippa II, Publius Ventidius, Pact of Misenum, Herodian coinage, Nativity of Jesus (section "Date and Place of Birth"). In each of these pages, and possibly others, the same question arises: When did these events take place? And in each of them, the chronology of the Herodians takes central place. Therefore it seems that, rather than going through the various opinions on Herodian chronology all over again one each page, there should be one central place that we can discuss the pertinent scholarship related to this question, namely the chronology of the Herodians. Please give your comments on the possible usefulness of such a page, and, if you agree that we need it, what its title should be. (User:Chronic2 7 January 2024)

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Under his death, in the dating section, beginning of the fourth paragraph, remove the parenthesis, "(29 Dec 1 BCE)" which state when the eclipse mentioned by Josephus happened. Josephus never mentions which one it is (Antiquities of the Jews, Book 17, Chapter 6, section 4 and as is explained above, there's debate about which eclipse it could be https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/2848/pg2848-images.html#link172HCH0006). Fuzg100044 (talk) 14:34, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]